Pat Robertson says gay marriage leads to polygamy, bestiality, child molestation, pedophilia
May 8th 2009 20:57
Wowie, it has been absolutely ages since I've posted here on My Life My Muse. I've been focusing so much on a few other pursuits along with some family issues, and simply have neglected this blog.
I'm back now, and with my return I bring some sad news. I just saw this clip today of Pat Robertson of the 700 Club, commenting that he believes that legalization of same sex marriage could lead to legal polygamy, bestiality, child molestation, and pedophilia.
Whatever your political or religious views about gay marriage are, I think all reasonable people can come to a consensus on this one...Robertson is WAYYY out of line. To imply that homosexuals are even remotely similar to child molesters and zoophiles is beyond comprehension. As a Christian, I will never understand this.
Pat Robertson is a politician parading as a preacher, and when he says things like this, make no mistake. It is political, and it appeals to the most ignorant and uneducated segment of his audience. Just like when he claimed that Hurricane Katrina was God's punishment for gays and abortionists, Robertson uses his televised pulpit to spread a hateful and fear stained message to his flock.
This is not unlike the stance of Pat Robertson after 9/11. His guest on the 700 Club on September 13, 2001 was the late Rev. Falwell. He blamed 9/11 on pagans, feminists, abortionists, gays...hell, pretty much everyone was to blame except fundamental Christians because, "God will not be mocked." His full quote:
And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the Pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way - all of them who have tried to secularize America - I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.' " Robertson responded: "Well, I totally concur..."
This is not the God I know. This is not the Christianity in which I was raised. What about God's love? What about forgiveness? What about God's promise after the great Flood?
"Never again will I curse the ground because of man, however evil his inclinations may be from his youth upwards. I will never again kill every living creature, as I have just done. While the earth lasts seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, shall never cease" (Gen.8: 21,22)
This is God's Covenant, and for supposed Christians to imply that God would send Hurricane Katrina or the terrorist attacks of 9/11 in order to punish us shows very little reverence for the Word of God and His promises. And it is little wonder that with people like this as the face of Christianity in the mainstream, non Christians believe Christianity to be hateful.
If you are a Christian, you believe that Jesus came to make the ultimate sacrifice for our sins. You believe in compassion and brotherly love. You believe in forgiveness and peace. These "pastors" who claim to have some special pipeline to God's intent are snake oil salesmen. They are pushing their product...not Christianity, but the Neoconservative far far far right bastardized version of what is really a beautiful religion.
All of these things should be kept in mind when listening to Robertson and his gang. They lack compassion. This is where they fail as Christians. This is why they can say things that compare honest citizens to child rapists. This is why people like Limbaugh can use the flooding of my hometown as an opportunity to crack "dike" jokes. Because their ambition for world domination has clouded their judgment.
Remember, as Rev. Falwell himself said, "God will not be mocked". And while I know He won't send a bolt of lightening toward Pat Robertson's head, He will have the final word on the subject.
I'm back now, and with my return I bring some sad news. I just saw this clip today of Pat Robertson of the 700 Club, commenting that he believes that legalization of same sex marriage could lead to legal polygamy, bestiality, child molestation, and pedophilia.
Whatever your political or religious views about gay marriage are, I think all reasonable people can come to a consensus on this one...Robertson is WAYYY out of line. To imply that homosexuals are even remotely similar to child molesters and zoophiles is beyond comprehension. As a Christian, I will never understand this.
Pat Robertson is a politician parading as a preacher, and when he says things like this, make no mistake. It is political, and it appeals to the most ignorant and uneducated segment of his audience. Just like when he claimed that Hurricane Katrina was God's punishment for gays and abortionists, Robertson uses his televised pulpit to spread a hateful and fear stained message to his flock.
This is not unlike the stance of Pat Robertson after 9/11. His guest on the 700 Club on September 13, 2001 was the late Rev. Falwell. He blamed 9/11 on pagans, feminists, abortionists, gays...hell, pretty much everyone was to blame except fundamental Christians because, "God will not be mocked." His full quote:
And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the Pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way - all of them who have tried to secularize America - I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.' " Robertson responded: "Well, I totally concur..."
This is not the God I know. This is not the Christianity in which I was raised. What about God's love? What about forgiveness? What about God's promise after the great Flood?
"Never again will I curse the ground because of man, however evil his inclinations may be from his youth upwards. I will never again kill every living creature, as I have just done. While the earth lasts seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, shall never cease" (Gen.8: 21,22)
This is God's Covenant, and for supposed Christians to imply that God would send Hurricane Katrina or the terrorist attacks of 9/11 in order to punish us shows very little reverence for the Word of God and His promises. And it is little wonder that with people like this as the face of Christianity in the mainstream, non Christians believe Christianity to be hateful.
If you are a Christian, you believe that Jesus came to make the ultimate sacrifice for our sins. You believe in compassion and brotherly love. You believe in forgiveness and peace. These "pastors" who claim to have some special pipeline to God's intent are snake oil salesmen. They are pushing their product...not Christianity, but the Neoconservative far far far right bastardized version of what is really a beautiful religion.
All of these things should be kept in mind when listening to Robertson and his gang. They lack compassion. This is where they fail as Christians. This is why they can say things that compare honest citizens to child rapists. This is why people like Limbaugh can use the flooding of my hometown as an opportunity to crack "dike" jokes. Because their ambition for world domination has clouded their judgment.
Remember, as Rev. Falwell himself said, "God will not be mocked". And while I know He won't send a bolt of lightening toward Pat Robertson's head, He will have the final word on the subject.
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Comment by Morgan Bell
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will these people ever give up with this stupidity?
(funny thing: i misread your title as being Robert Pattinson at first haha)
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I don't think these fakes will ever give up the fight, though. Not as long as they still have followers willing to spread their hate filled message.
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Now I do think that God gets angry. Personally, I think he's far more like to be angry at the injustices in the world and the fact that we've turn our back on the poor, than he is to get angry about the other stuff. But whether he's angry or not, or whatever types of things he is most likely to get angry about, a natural disaster is not the time to shove it in people's faces. That's the time when they are hurt and they need comfort.
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I'm agnostic but I sincerely believe that religion is of benefit to most who believe. I say 'most' because for others, like this man, it causes them to hate and I don't believe that is what God, if there is one, ever intended.
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I agree.Christ is far more popular than the popular image of a Christian. Sad, as we should all be striving to be Christlike, although I stumble...a lot. Being naughty is fun! Within reason, mind you!
Cheryl,
It is so true that faith and religion can be the most wonderful addition to a person's life. Sadly, many pervert it for their own gain. People use God as a weapon of fear...new Christians have created their own religion. It is...
The Church of the Far Right Political Machine For the Benefit of those Who Would Make Us Wealthier and More Powerful. (Oh and we like Jesus too. He would like you if you voted for the right person!)
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I agree.Christ is far more popular than the popular image of a Christian. Sad, as we should all be striving to be Christlike, although I stumble...a lot. Being naughty is fun! Within reason, mind you!
Cheryl,
It is so true that faith and religion can be the most wonderful addition to a person's life. Sadly, many pervert it for their own gain. People use God as a weapon of fear...new Christians have created their own religion. It is...
The Church of the Far Right Political Machine For the Benefit of those Who Would Make Us Wealthier and More Powerful. (Oh and we like Jesus too. He would like you if you voted for the right person!)
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Broadly speaking:
Womens child bearing role in early history was important to any chance of a viable future population, a fact that was not wasted on religious leaders.
Religion helped promote womens rights and to elevate them above mere chattel status. Some religious groups promoted this more than others.
Marriage between a man and a woman in a religious ceremony reaffirmed the woman as a partner and publically recognized the womans personage ~ endowed with rights.
Married women had status, unmarried women were the chattel of their family patriarch.
An attack on the legal status of marriage as being exclusively between a man and a woman, would also be a veiled attack on the future of womens rights.
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Jeff, I like to think that most Christians do not share the beliefs of Pat Robertson. Unfortunately, those that do have very loud voices
Populist,
I agree that he is irresponsible. This post was not aimed at all conservatives or even all fundamental christians. Personally, I don't give a rip if people want a bunch of wives or husbands. As long as no one is being coerced or forced into the situation. I'm not advocating polygamy. I'm just saying it is the least of the allegations made by Pat.
Moonglow, yes, I do watch the 700 club every once in a while when there is nothing else on late at night, and they are always trying to sell something.
Nevar, I'm sorry I don't agree with your assessment of marriage. Perhaps at one time it was looked upon as an equalizer, but it is a somewhat antiquated notion these days that a woman's value is based on her ability to marry a man. I don't feel that same sex marriage would be an attack on women's rights in the slightest. Especially to those women who are in love with other women. Their rights and in fact be elevated, not diminished. Perhaps I'm not understanding your point. As far as me having an agenda, I suppose you're right. Pretty much everything I write is my opinion. Rarely do I just report news. So I will concede that what I say is biased to my point of view. But I do welcome debate alway
Gaye,
I agree with you. And God does love everyone. Throughout the NT we find Jesus reaching out to the outcasts of society and to those deemed unworthy by popular standards.
Separation of church and state should insure that gay rights have nothing to do with religion anyway. If a church chooses not to recognize gay marriage that is their prerogative. No one forces that Catholic church to welcome people who are divorced into their Eucharist, because it is separate. That doesn't mean that we should outlaw divorce!
Anon,
Thanks for your enlightening comments buddy.
James,
That's the major issue, isn't it? I don't think people would care so much if he wasn't so wrapped up in the political side of things.
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However, we also have to realise that some of the ways in which biblical standards protected people no longer apply. And so instead of just ditching what the bible has to say, we should be looking at it to see exactly how this rule protected people and whether it still has that same kind of protection today.
And so that, I think, should be the question. Not do we just ditch what the bible has to say? Not ifwe start ignoring what it has to say, will it lead to all kinds of other things being acceptable? But - from a purely legal standpoint and ignoring the moral side of it - does this law protect people? When it comes to preventing homosexual marriages, I'm not so sure that it does.
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Organized religions of all types, regardless of spiritual venues, were the first advocates of women’s rights. Marriage, as sanctified by the “church,’ was a means by which the rights of a mother and her children were assured ~ she couldn’t be abandoned by her mate as a matter of convenience.
Marriage was specific to the procreative process between a man and a woman. Not between wo/man and beast, wo/man and wo/man or wo/man and child. During mankind’s early history the mandate to go forth and multiply was in place to guarantee survival of the species. After birthing offspring, organized religion wanted to make sure that the female and her offspring were protected, religion was a common thread by which this could be effectively accomplished via the instrument of marriage.
The USA came into existence under the guidance of founders who valued the role of religion and its impact as a stabilizing factor. They wrote a constitution for the USA based on their understanding of biblical law. They sided with the early church and decided that marriage was between a man and woman for the reason outlined above.
Pat was making the point that if the basis for marriage was set aside, for any reason, you’ve opened the lid to Pandora’s Box. Now, if you say that any combination of committed male/female couples are entitled to marriage, rather than a civil union, you’ve opened the door to allowing polygamy, or why not wo/man and beast. Why not wo/man and child? Remember ~ 18 and under is a child in most states and sex with that person is pedophilia. What happens when the age is lowered to say 12? Homosexuals should have full legal civil union rights, but not to marriage.
That is what Pat is describing; did you fully listen and understand the message he delivered?
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I don't know what to think about homosexuality. My half-sister is a lesbian, and I love her just the same. I think she was born that way, and I also think that God doesn't make mistakes. So how do we explain that? I just don't understand. I do know that homosexual people should have the same rights as same-sex couples, at least in the eyes of the law. If we are to separate church and state, how can the state deny people of their rights based on biblical standards? And I'm saying that as a devoted Christian!
Overall, I think Pat Robertson is ridiculous. I think anyone who is far right or left is ridiculous. Yes, Jesus was an extreme person, but He was also rational, loving, and forgiving. Is Pat Robertson? Or does he just think that he has the in on things, and everyone should be like he is? That's not right. He is not the Second Coming, so he shouldn't act like he is.
There is so much could say about this, but I think I'll end it here. Excellent post!!
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Beastiality. Child molestation and pedophilia! Universally shunned by nearly every group and individual except for those mentally deranged enough to partake in such activities. How on EARTH could gay marriage lead to a loosening of the laws against these acts? It doesn't make sense!
What sets apart the concept of gay marriage and "opposite marriage" as coined famously by Miss California, is that they are unions between consenting adults. It makes me so angry when child molestation in particular is used as part of this "Slippery slope" scenario.
I am fascinated by your comment Kristin. I encounter Mennonites every day living in the upper midwest near the Canadian border, and yet I know so little about the religion. You should write a post about your basic beliefs. I would make fascinating reading. (I apologize if you've already done this and I missed it!) I admire your progressive stance and your openness with the questions that you have. I agree that ultimately Jesus came to free us from the Old Laws and recognize that we are all sinners and all children of God. He says so repeatedly in the NT. Herein lies the paradox.
Fundamentalists like to use the OT when it suits their agendas, but disregard it when it works against them. For example, the BIGGEST argument for the "slippery slope" when it comes to gay marriage is the polygamy argument, and it is a difficult one to answer because certain segments of the population still practice it, and the consenting adult argument doesn't necessarily apply. But...
Nearly every single patriarch of the Old Testament had multiple wives. Pat says "What is it about polygamy that’s different? Well, polygamy was outlawed because it was considered immoral according to biblical standards." Really?
And we mustn't forget that the "slipper slope" argument was used against the concept of inter-racial marriages as well.
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My husband is from the northeast US along the Canadian border. I guess Mennonites are spread out more than I thought! Our church (specifically the one we attend) is somewhat liberal, but I think you're right, I should do a blog about what our basic beliefs are. A lot of people think we're Amish, actually, but the Amish are a splinter group of the Mennonites. But my husband and I, and most of the congregants in our church, dress normally and don't wear prayer caps or plain clothes. I think I will write something. Thanks for suggesting it!
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You can disagree with Pat all that you want to, but, it doesn't necessarily make him wrong in this particular matter.
Although your take on the matter seems naive to me, I won't belabor this issue further. But, I am going to research it - BTW, have you every read the Kinsey Reports?
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And that comment is relative to what?
Reading the Kinsey Reports would provide you with some useful information as well.
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A ~ bomb?
and yes i know all about Kinsey, they have even made a major motion picture out of his life and work, his books are considered classics and the Kinsey Scale is one of the cornerstones of queer theory and one of the first scientific graphics to acknowledge Asexuality as part of the spectrum of human sexuality
is there something in particular you are trying to say about Kinsey?
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"is there something in particular you are trying to say about Kinsey?
My response: Certainly.
In pursuing the research, they (Kinsey's researchers) sanctioned the activities of pedophiles against children:
Morgans' stated position:
". . .his books are considered classics and the Kinsey Scale is one of the cornerstones of queer theory and one of the first scientific graphics to acknowledge Asexuality as part of the spectrum of human sexuality."
This sums up my argument Morgan, and thanks for sharing your views.
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he did not sanction the behaviour of pedophiles, he reported that pedophiles exist, until that point everyone was burying their head in the sand about the prevalence of child molesters and the frequency of incest
its just like reporters in Africa filming starving children but not feeding them because they vow not to interfere that with which they are making observations on
its not sanctioning what is happening
to gather information you must adhere to a "prime directive" to not interfere or else your data will be biased
and i still do not see what Kinseys research has to do with changing the language of marriage laws to be gender neutral
i dont even think you know what youre talking about
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How far of a stretch is it for any sane person to believe that with your attitude, you'd sanction any act by your fellows in the gay community if it promoted your interests.
Morgan, your perverted bias is showing. What those researchers did was immoral and worthy of prosecution.
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to sanction something is to induce or encourage them to do it, not to keep records on it after it has been done
i condemn pedophilia regardless of the sexuality or gender of the person committing the crime
but researching pedophila does not make one a pedophile
by your logic people that research rape are sanctioning rape
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Perhaps after I learn more about Kinsey I'll be able to participate in that end of the argument. I'm not prepared to discuss something I know little more than surface information about.
I do agree with you about the Mennonite people. All that I have encountered seem like very nice people.
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When you learn more about the Kinsey report and the collusion between the parties, you'll be appalled. I brought it up as a focal point to an argument that is based upon a simple religious/spiritual principle; right and wrong, good and evil.
Kinsey was an atheist and eugenicist who would have fit well into Dr. Mengele's program, and for me epitomizes evil; Morgan supports his work and that speaks volumes to the nature of her character.
I have clearly stated that marriage is between a man and a woman for procreative purposes. Civil ceremonies are for 'committed couples,' and their legal situations ~ we should leave these institutions alone.
Liberal minorities have been chipping away at the moral cornerstones of society for a very long time, and this issue is a keystone for them. Once they've leveraged the door open to their agenda, you'll watch the erosion of morality based upon any real religious/spiritual foundation.
The Mennonite's I worked around for a few years were pleasant, industrious, civil and filled with great humor.
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mental note: move Nevar to the top of my purge list
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God bless you, what a sore loser.
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I don't favor the idea of what can be heated debates being aired on someone else's post anymore. It isn't fair to Natalina to have a flame war break out on her blog.
Had it been your post, you wouldn't let me comment, whereas I would allow you to do so on my blog. There, we could rant, rave and hash this out forever if you like. And have the luxury of time to think out our responses.
As it is, I've been attempting to shut down the discussion between us before the inevitable occurs ~ the flame attacks.
Yet, it's little hissy head popped up despite my effort. Now, it's likely that I'll never know your full argument and it's reasoning except for what I've been exposed to here.
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I actually think this has been a pretty good discussion for the most part. I've got new material I need to study as far as the Kinsey report.
By the way, I know that Morgan doesn't support or condone pedophilia, not even indirectly. Whatever beefs people have with each other, I know she would never wish for that kind of harm to come to a child. I just felt that had to be said. I don't think that was your meaning, Nevar. I just wanted to clear it up if it was a misunderstanding.
I have a tendency to strike a nerve with the militant minority you speak of. From both sides, actually. The funny part is I feel like I am in the minority actually. I don't encounter a lot of people who feel as I do about faith and politics. But, my beliefs are not intended to pacify and one group, and while my heart is filled with compassion for all of God's children, I know that I fall short in many ways. The beauty of life is our diversity and our disagreements and our agreements and our ability to love one another through all of this stuff that trips us up.
God is love is love is love is God. And if anyone wants me to take off these rose colored glasses, they'll have to rip them off of my cold dead face! So there!
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When I was posting to 5 Orble sponsored blogs, I've had all 5 on the most popular list at the same time, which suggests a paradigm shift.
Regarding Morgan, I know full well that she wouldn't condone or suffer the presence of a pedophile or pedophilia. But contending with her is great fun for me.
She knows how to push my buttons and I hers. It's always a great sparring match, she can be ferocious when focused.
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The question was raised by Samaritan and I added this link to her comment.
What say you?
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yes im glad you enjoyed my little wine-o-clock joke there, you all have a "Report" button now, but because im queer and sleeping my way to the top Jon kindly obliged and installed me a "Purge" button, it has been quite useful so far
im afraid this argument is not going to progress any further than you saying " all homosexuals are pedophiles" and me saying "no theyre not"
with regards to gay marriage, i dont think any government recognised relationship should identify gender as a factor in eligibility
before anyone trots out the old "why dont you just have a civil ceremony?" question maybe you should think about how limited the availability of civil ceremonies for same-sex is in your country . . . if they were available everywhere perhaps there would be less of a push for gay marriage, but at this point in time changing the marriage laws in the most direct route to equal rights
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That doesn't actually answer the questions I raised. Which was what purpose does it serve? And are they missing out on any benefits by now having that?
Also, you said there if there were more civil ceremonies, maybe there wouldn't be such a push for homosexual marriages. So why not just push for more civil ceremonies instead?
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Here's a link to the post that I shared with her, LINK
And I shared my opinion:
. . . render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and render unto God that which is God's.
Clarified:
Caesar gets the civil unions,
God gets marriage unions.
However, after closer scrutiny, the matter of availability rises up ~ to my surprise, civil unions and other solutions aren't really all that available to odd couples.
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well why havent civil ceremonies been pushed in general, not just as a compensation for missing out on marriage, but as a sign the community respect same-sex partnerships?
why havent all you straight people made sure gays had equal rights up until now?
the onus should not be on the gay person to beg for their rights, it should be on the whole community to do whats right and treat everyone equally regardless of gender
the point is that even in straight de-facto relationships couples are awarded less civil rights and financial benefits than those who are married
i think all you straight married people have resisted de-facto rights being pulled into line with marriage rights because you want there to be some difference
you cant have your cake and eat it too
either marriage is special and everyone is entitled to it, or marriage is on equal footing with de-facto relationships
maybe if more church groups had petitioned for de-facto rights and the availability of same-sex civil ceremonies over the last 30 years, as some show of good will, (spreading the time and resources it takes for change throughout the entire community), maybe then the queer community would be less focussed on marriage
however marriage, whether you want to admit it or not, has become a matter regulated by the state, not the church . . . types of ceremonies may take place in churches but they dont have to in order to have a marriage certificate issued by the state
what will a gay couple achieve by being married? the exact same things a straight couple achieves, ask yourself why straight people want to do it and the answer is exactly the same for gays
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my blog is on Verify due to you relentlessly spamming me with personal attacks . . . i verify everyone except for you and Nevar because you two never argue the point and only leave comments insulting me . . . its only been on Verify for a week, i know you know this, you are just being a troll
even on this post, what on earth does your comment have to do with Natalinas original article? you are physically incapable of contributing to anything without mentioned my name
now shouldnt you be over on the Cyberperson blog pretending to be Teresa's son "Jimmy" imagining a teenage boy being sexually abused in a car and fantasicing about what that teenage boy would think of you having sex in the next room to him?
nobody cares about your boring charade
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Asking myself why straight people want to marry doesn't really help me at all. I know the reasons why I wanted to marry and they're not the kind of reasons that can be applied to everyone. I also know that one of my reasons was to raise kids in a traditional family, where mum and dad are married. Didn't quite work out that way, but anyway. And so I can't ask myself that question and get compelling reasons why gays would want to marry.
And the fact that something is special and funded by the government does not mean everyone is entitled to it. The Australian Institute of Sport is special and funded by the government. But I miss out on that special government backed institution, because unfortunately I have a lack of sporting skills. Where is the equal rights for people with no sporting skills? I feel very disadvantaged.
I actually genuinely wanted to know what the benefits were for homosexuals. I was asking those questions because I really did want to know the answer to them. But instead of answering them, you've just asked me questions - none of which is helping me to see the issue clearly. I don't see how asking myself why we didn't push for civil unions earlier is going to help me decide whether there should be homosexual marriages now.
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I would prefer to address Morgan Bell on her own blog but she refuses to verify my comments.
Morgan,
Why do you persist in calling me David? Have you honestly convinced yourself that no other person could possibly come out in his defense? I doubt it. You know very well that my blog was blocked because I let David use it. You managed to get him banned and then continued to make disparaging comments about him throughout Orble. I call that cowardice.
You know very well who I am and so do other people.
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my point is you cant say all gay people want marriage for "Reason X", gay people are all individuals just like straight people
im sure some gay people are motivated by providing a traditional two parent family structure because they want children, im sure some want to display their commitment to their partners publicly, some do it because the paperwork of signing loans and bank accounts and wills is easier . . . it is different for every person, but take any one of your straight friends and ask them why they did it, and there will be a gay person with the exact same logic
also, i dont think being born a particular gender or sexuality is a skill, why dont we go for an analogy that is not skill-based, like the right to vote, or the right to own property
re: the Tony Alamo post, youve probably noticed i havent requested anyone keep their comments on-topic, yours were off-topic, as were Lolas and Ds and many other peoples, thats my preferred way of moderating . . . im not going to impose my style on other peoples blogs and i dont think David should either
David,
i did not get you banned, you got yourself banned due to the language you were using and the personal attacks you were making
i have never phoned Jon, or emailed Jon and said "remove Davids account", it was removed due to the complaints of a huge amount of people, you were becoming a liability with your hate speech and slander
i am not the only person on Verify at the moment, Cheryl and Norm are also on Verify due to your antics . . . why on earth would i Verify comments that are vilifying me about me sexuality and generally being hostile and rude?
its not going to happen, go fixate on someone else
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My comments are on verify because there were some nasty unwarranted comments left by an anonymous source. I removed them but I don't read Orble every day and I don't want comments like that sitting there until I can delete them. We all have that option and I've chosen it for all of my blogs.
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Samaritan, my gay friends just want the same option to cement their relationships that their hetero counterparts have always had. It is a declaration of lifelong commitment and also makes wills, benefits, entitlements etc easier. Plus, some have children and they want them to have married parents. And they are the childrens' parents regardless if one of them wasn't a birth mother or father. It is no different than any other child of adoption or stepchild. I'm all for any consenting adults being able to marry if they choose to.
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This is Teresa, not David. David has not been able to post comments for more than a week.
My point was not that people are using the Verify facility but that Morgan Bell would not post my comments at all. But that is because they questioned her claims - at best exaggerated, at worst outright lies. My comments were not obscene, just argumentative.
I am able to comment as Anonymous but my blog is still blocked - because I let David use it to post after his blog was blocked. As far as I am concerned, if Morgan Bell wants to dish it out she should be prepared to take it (like a man) without all this boo-hooing.
The following is a comment from David:
I'm sitting here laughing at how Morgan keeps talking about my fixation with her. I'm not the one mentioning David every 10 minutes.
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Just want to add something here.
During the time that David used my blog - posting as Mistersmith, Mr Smith, Mrs Smith - another blogger posted vicious comments using those posting names, with the clear intention of impersonating David. This continued with Anonymous comments.
Teresa (me, only me)
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Pat Robertson is simply insane. Yes I'm gay, and if I could enter into a civil partnership or marriage with my partner I would; I don't want to marry my DOG!
One of the big issues in relation to homosexual marriage is the idealisation of the family – and the way that families might be threatened by gays marrying each other. How exactly? How does a homosexual civil partnership threaten the marriage in any way?
Imagine two guys living together in a homosexual relationship. Either they live together as partners or they formalise it in a civil partnership. Does one pose more threat to the family unit than the other? I mean it’s not like they’re going to go well we can’t formalise our relationship, so let’s just go out and marry heterosexual girls and promote the ideal vision of a family. Or alternatively, their next door neighbour isn’t going to say well if gays can get married to each other, I’m not going to bother marrying my partner. We’ll just live together instead.
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What is it exactly that is preventing David from commenting on Orble? Isn't he shacked up with you? Why doesn't he just use your computer? Or does Jon have some sort of super sensory device that tells him who is punching the keyboard at any given time?
Poor persecuted David. You know this is just like in the Bible when the Pharisees...
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Hahahahaha . . . shovels and pails anyone? Diaper changes?
We just want to blog in peace, we just want equal rights, we want what we aren't willing to give; what? Get a sense of humor. . . wail, moan, groan, complain and bitch is all that spews from your literary lips. I want, I demand, I am so gay . . . blah - blah - blah.
Pin heads.
See, I can be civil, I didn't even bring up your private lives, or attack members of your families.
I'll just hit the report button and report myself . . . hahahahaha.
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go on, be specific
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What else could possibly be stopping him from commenting here? Not his conscience or sense of dignity surely?
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I've already explained, dear, what has already happened regarding the blocking and banning of blogs. So just have a little think. WHY do you think David is not using my computer to leave comments?
Teresa
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So go on, please enlighten me. Why doesn't David just leave anonymous comments using your computer? If you can do it, then surely he can too, right?
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My blog was blocked after I let David use it. His URL was blocked so he couldn't even leave Anonymous comments. What would be the next step if David used my computer to post comments? Yes, that's right...my URL would be blocked too.
I would have responded to the comments you left on Morgan's Tony Alamo post except she will not verify any of my comments. So I'll just respond to one, here.
Making the connection of my defense of David to (I paraphrase) 'hairy fanny, golden showers and menstrual blood' is so specious that it makes no sense at all. And if you think that's 'bizarre' what a sheltered life you must have led. Anyway, David would like to add his own comment:
So let me see if i've got this right. I get banned for repeatedly calling people names. But since I left other people can repeatedly call me names. With much more frequency than I ever managed to achieve. And regurgitate them ad nauseam whilst exaggerating the number of times? But that's okay? Being called a pig and a jerk, etc is obviously not offensive in the Morgan / Ruby Orble rule book. Only the use of the word cunt?
So in the mind of the atheist and pro-gay it's okay to attack the straight community as homophobic and misogynist? And add pig and jerk, etc to the mix. That's justifiable? But the straight community must operate within what? The same rules, or different ones?
Over and above that, religious vilification is okay as long as it's directed against the Catholic Church and its members?
It seems to me like a push to get very selective rules established on Orble by a minority group.
As to me not commenting on Orble. It has nothing to do with my inability to do so. There's just rarely anything worthy of a comment. Teresa was only referring to not being able to comment through my normal URL.
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I could only foresee that happening if he uses your URL to post comments which attack other users needlessly or insult Jon.
No, what is bizarre is that you and David feel the need to make gratuitous reference to your alleged sex life at any given opportunity, appropos of nothing at all. . Don't try to make me out to be some sort of prude. I just happen to balk at sexual references which do nothing but demean and degrade YOU as a woman and as a human being. And which are then used as an attempt to put down other women al la Morgan is not a real woman. Real women put out like Teresa. That's what defines a real woman? her willingness to spread her legs to a man who views her as an inferior?
Only when they make misogynistic and homophobic remarks. I will contend that my use of the word 'jerk' was unnecessary. So I will take that back. I still maintain that David is both misogynistic and homophobic. his comments attest to that.
It seems to me like a push to get very selective rules established on Orble by a minority group.
This is not a religious issue. Criticisng the Catholic Church is not vilification. It is simply criticising a powerful institution which has control over the lives of millions of people. In fact, I've even seen David critcise the current Pope and the modern Church himself, so don't try playing that card. It's bogus and i can call your bluff from a mile away.
And i don't recall anyone, ever, saying that catholics were not welcome on Orble which is what david has said about the queer community.
For the hundredth time, have you ever stopped to think that maybe it's David's RELENTLESS ATTACKS ON JON, THE OWNER OF THIS SITE THAT LEADS HIS COMMENTS TO BE DELETED?
Why is it that no matter how many times I bring up that point no-one ever addresses it?
So there you go and there you have it. The reason david has not been commenting is because he does not want to, not because he has been "purged". Give it up already. He's no Jesus. And this is coming from an atheist.
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BTW, what's this fixation you have with Jon? When was Jon neutered or determined to be in need of a spokes person?
You can't read Morgan? Aren't you the College Trained Free Lance Journalist that should be able to parse the truth from fiction in an impersonal manner so that your writing isn't overly impacted with your personal bias?
Much of your comment writings reek of an agenda.
Me, I am pretty much up front about what I think and I really don't take myself all that seriously. However, when I see a snake in the grass, it's my nature to poke at it until it self destructs.
With your engineering and city planning education, you should have a rudimentary element of abstract reasoning somewhere within reach to help you understand written english and its nuances.
With the analytical statistics training, technical writing and drafting you likely studied, shouldn't you be able present your thoughts a little more clearly?
But what do I know . . . you just appear to lack a recognizable discipline.
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well thanks for not answering my question at all
i dont think ive been unclear in anything ive said, i think you just like making vague accusations and feel a bit cornered when someone asks you to clarify
David,
Do you know the difference between a URL and an IP address?
Maybe i should clarify, a URL is the address of a website, an IP address is a number unique to your computer, an Orble account is a unique username and password that allows you access to a user profile and any blogs attached to it on this network.
David was blocked from his Orble account, not a URL, and not an IP.
He has left many many anonymous comments since his account was removed. If his IP was blocked he would not even be able to display Orble pages on his screen to read all the comments that he has obviously been reading.
If David wanted to post on Orble all he would have to do is create another unique username and password and start a new profile. Anyone who has their account blocked can simply start up a new one. I know David knows this as he has had at least SIX different Orble identities in the time i have been here.
David is a drama queen who likes pretending he is hard done by so people with low self esteem will identify with him and his persecuted martyr routine.
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Cornered? hahahaha, you have no idea how much I would love to continue this discussion in your presence. It's easy for you to sit upon your pompous bottom and hide behind a monitor and keyboard, and with the help of your fellows to berate someone. Me, I prefer the personal touch myself and I don't require backup to make my point to your face.
So, what are David's past persona's?
BTW, weren't you accused of having multiple persona's as well?
And isn't it odd that virtually everything you're saying about David are the very things other bloggers commented about you first. I know, because I made many of them.
You are generally considered to be disingenuous by many of your fellow bloggers and laughably, a cry baby drama queen.
So, with the massive education that you tout, why are you not working?
Were you physically chucked from a job site as an engineer by disgruntled pygmy construction workers? Or did a disgruntled editor toss you and your drivel down a flight of stairs. Were you mindlessly texting or talking on your cell phone while thoughtlessly driving on the wrong side of the road and flattened by a road train?
For Christ's sake, is a monitor your only access to life? You and your life make no sense at all. Something has inspired you to become the queen of mean and all I can think of are carbuncles from setting around all day ~ that'd make anyone cranky.
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so tell us Nevar, who is supposedly being bullied here, and who are the member of the "militant gay sandbox crowd"?
go on, be specific
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David has been:
Lady Henrietta Muddling
Ann1
Mistersmith
MrsSmith
MrandMrsAbnormal
Jimmy
i have only ever had one account here, it is this one with my full real name, and all the links to my social networking down the side of Deep Pencil . . . i know many many Orblers outside Orble, i work with some of them on media projects and socialise with others, i exchange emails and phone calls and meet them in the real world . . . i also recruit my existing friends as new writers so many of them know me pre-Orble . . . most people here know exactly who i am, no pseudonyms, no anonymous usernames, no bullshit
why dont i work full-time as an engineer anymore?
because 4 years ago i was in a car accident that injured my spine and left me with permanent lower back pain, two of my lumbar discs were ruptured and now protrude into the nerves of my spinal column, so i can not sit at a desk, i have to work from home
i have actually posted about many of these personal details before, im sure most of my regular readers are aware i have been in a lengthy court battle for compensation, i had to move in with my parents in Tasmania due to massive debt from medical bills and unemployment, and i am usually drugged up to the eyeballs on pain-killers, i also drink and smoke more than i used to and enjoy pot on occasion
what any of that has to do with me responding to people on this post i do not know
but i felt compelled to satisfy your curiousity as you mentioned it several times
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Pretty please????
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In the interest of full disclosure, I'll tell you that I have deleted several of the most recent comments here as they simply crossed the line. I have pretty high tolerance, but the last few Anonymous comments were dreadful and unacceptable.
I NEVER wanted to be the person who deletes comments, and I regret that I had to do so. But certain things just won't be tolerated. I have family that reads this blog!
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The side bar issues being discussed here are the end result of Morgan's purge of any comment that comes from those on her hit list.
But, she doesn't seem to mind fighting them out on someone else's post.
She's always welcome to fight out issues on my posts without fear, but she opts not to do so.
Anyway back to commenting
So, Morgan . . . you can't sit at a desk for a day job, but can sit at one all day long while surfing the net at home? Is that what you mean by working from home?
Were you primping in the mirror, on the phone, reading your laptop messages or eating when you were involved in the traffic accident?
I ask because, they are common pre-accident activities that point to a failure on your part, which was to focus on driving and to drive defensively.
And all vanity based.
This helps explain your mood swings . . .
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And as I said above, Morgan is always free to fight out her issues with others on my posts, rather than to have a group of us flame slinger's usurp your site.
No point responding Morgan, I'm not going to post on this one again.
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I actually did hit report on one of them, but I just couldn't handle them sitting there on my blog for any length of time. Those comments were disgusting. I didn't go through and delete anything except the last 4 before my previous comment. They were icky poo yucky comments. I don't mean just argumentative. I mean dirty filthy comments. If I get more, they'll go away as well.
No one is aloud to talk dirty unless I start it
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Morgan can fight her own battles and I'm not jumping up to protect her but as someone that suffers serious daily pain myself I find it insulting that anyone would find it amusing.
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David.
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There are many types of pain David. Physical, mental and they are all real and all debilitating. I'm aware of Nevar's past and his struggles and I feel enormous empathy for him. Is it too much to ask that he, and you, extend the same courtesy for others?
My life changed irrevocably with the onset of my diseases as did Morgan when some half wit smashed into her car, as did Nevar's when he was sent off to fight in a war. I'm just saying that to make light of ANYONE'S suffering is low.
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But since Cheryl thinks that I am so cruel to Morgan, let me share this with you; for the record, I have suffered chronic pain longer than Morgan has been alive.
And I have been through drug addiction and alcoholism trying to deal with it all. In addition to nightmares, I still have flashbacks so don't think for a moment I am being cruel for asking questions.
Cruel is the face that turns a sign on you, we don't serve Indians, niggers or dogs,
Cruel is fighting indians on a reservation for being white and then fighting whites for being indian,
Cruel is being thrown into the streets at 15,
Cruel is coming back from war to a country that hates you for serving it,
Cruel is being refused work because of your service,
Cruel is having a faith that was stuffed down your throat turn on you and demand to exorcise demons from you ~ several times,
Cruel is losing your family because of the screaming nightmares that terrify your wife and family causing them to abandon you,
Cruel is kicking a habit in a cold cell,
Cruel is being locked up in a mental institution because of societies fear of you . . . . I know the face of cruelty and it isn't mine,
Cruelty is the doubt filled face of your loving friends ignorance.
Morgan said she posted about her health issues before, but until now, I wasn't aware of these issues. But I have known since she first arrived that something was amiss. And I pressed her about it, instead of a response, a war breaks out. She can't plead that it's a private matter, because she says she shared it with others.
She is dealing with pain, drugs and PTSD from the accident. OK, fine . . . had I known this earlier, I would have dealt with her differently.
When I say that humor is a buffer for the pain, it is and so is honesty. She needs to get a sense of humor and choose whether or not she's going to be pleasant.
Sometimes, when all of those things gang up on me, I get cranky and occasionally lash out when I shouldn't ~ which can't possibly manifest in me exclusively. We all go through it, we get overly sensitive , and concerned about our future, well...welcome to reality Morgan.
Overly cruel, no . . .
To help me deal with my ID (inner demons), my life is spilled out all over Orble pages, shared in bits and pieces largely with petty, humorless wraith's with souls as black and as dead as their words alongside of those rare birds who can inspire, invoke passion and cause others to pause and think; these rarities can grasp the nuances of the written word ~ reading is fundamental with them where it is lost on most.
None of us are mind-readers Morgan, we can only learn about one another from what is shared with us.
You're a victim of an automobile accident, who spends her time living with her parents, in pain, probably sexually frustrated, blogging, drugging, drinking, frustrated and angry to the point of becoming hateful . . . sure, that fits with what I've seen of your actions. I recognize it all to well.
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and you wonder why i dont allow your comments on my blog
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I hope and pray for relief of all of your pain, emotional and physical. For all of your sorrow and suffering. I mean that sincerely to each and every one of you.
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That last Anonymous2 comment was not made by me, Teresa, or David (nor have we made any obscene comments on this post which you indicate you have removed). One blogger who has been going all around Orble making Anonymous comments and pretending to be David is Alt-ed (now blogging as Mau Medelin). Orble bloggers are being deceived and confused. The number and intensity of insults from David has been grossly exaggerated. Morgan Bell and Alted work together. She can deny it as much as she likes. Some people can see right through her manipulations.
From this point on I will only post comments in my own name(Teresa), via Jimmy(my son's blog). Argument is one thing but this outright deceit is revolting. A few months back I myself experienced how low those two will go with their insults, fake commenters and twisting of the truth. They are despicable.
Teresa
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well why ask me why i dont work as an engineer anymore and then when i answer you in good faith, turn to ridiculing me about my disability
im sure you have been in chronic pain longer than ive been alive, you are after all a hundred years old and i am in my 20s, but as someone in chronic pain you should know its not a laughing matter, regardless of age
and i use a laptop, not a PC, so even at home im not sitting at a desk
i understand you dont agree with my politics and you dont like my writing, thats fine, but theres really no need to be a fuckwit about chronic pain . . . actually theres no need to address me at all if you are just going to be mean-spirited about me being smashed in a car accident . . . i may be on alot of drugs but at least i can still manage to act like a human being
David,
you are really tiring
if you want to blog here just put down your little violin for a second and start up a new account and write about something youre interested in, or just post more regularly to the Cyberperson blog you have already started
you used to produce interesting creative writing, but now you are just boring people with your pathetic mind games and your anti-Morgan vendetta
if you have a problem with any of my posts or comments hit the Report button on send Jon an email using complaints@orble.com
good luck with that
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I have reported your comment to the Orble Administration Department, as I am simply sick and tired of you and your Litter Box Rat Pack trying to tar and feather my name!! Will you please just stop.
My name is Mauricio, hence 'Mau' for short. I do not need to leave nasty comments under any other name, as I am not a nasty person like yourself.
Having read all of your comments Mr & Mrs David & Tersa, the only person commenting on Orble any more, who seems at all similar to the Alt_ed person, is YOU. You write the same nasty, vulgar and provocative vitriol. You should certainly examine why it is you feel the need to operate under so many different persona's. If just one of them was nice, it would negate the need for the others!!!
Natalina,
I am very sorry to take up this space on your blog. But I will leave it be now that I have had my say.
Mau-Medellin
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Did you understand that line from my comment?
Seriously Morgan, you can't focus enough to read well do you? How would I, this person, recognize something without having experienced it? Or is battling with it now?
I hope you don't eat with that same foul mouth, you swear more colorfully than the Marines I served with.
Go play with your mau-cat, maybe you'll feel better. (And before you get excited Mau - mau is Thai for cat). A purring mau is after all, very soothing.
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do you expect me to believe that was a genuine question and not mockery?
nice backpeddle . . .
i dont have PTSD and i dont have mood swings, im not hateful and im not purging anyone (that is Damo's weird delusion), although i do find your lack of manners and your inaccurate characterisations quite tiring
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I was suggesting that you may not have been paying attention as much as you should have been. Been there, done that ~ got the hat n t-shirt for being inattentive.
Quit injecting your angst into my comments.
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i can focus and pay attention just fine, i know when you are being antagonistic and purposely disrespectful
you even manage to have a little dig about some supposed "sexual frustration" i have when you know full well i am Asexual . . . and i know you know this because you have mocked me about it many times in the past
it is bizarre that you would storm in here all indignant that some unnamed person is being bullied by some other unnamed people, when you yourself are being a smart-arse about my personal circumstances for no reason other than your own amusement
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The first possibility is that I am not allowed to defend David. Well, I am, as long as I admit he's a misogynist. As I did not admit he's a misogynist, I get attacked.
The second possibility is that I published a comment about football on my blog. I can sort of understand that. Usually I wouldn't even read a comment on football, as it's something I am not interested in at all. But this one struck me as funny.
The third possibility is that someone is very scared.
Please note that any comments written by Liz, the Good Samaritan were not by me.
Samaritan
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Are you suggesting I had something to do with that comment?
I suggest you gather some evidence in the future before you start accusing people of things. I'm sorry someone is writing things in your name but don't go jumping to conclusions.
Thanks,
Ruby
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Actually, I was quite sure that you would not have had anything to do with that comment. Despite the fact that we have had quite a large disagreement recently, I still do have some respect for you and think you seem to be a pretty honourable person.
And I am not accusing people at all. I was listing possible reasons, one of which was that I defended David and did not say he was a misogynist. That is very different to saying it was the people actually involved in that argument that attacked me.
Samaritan
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Not to mention that it gives ammunition to the very people it is supposedly trying to discredit and thus serves to disqualify any legitimate criticism of them.
So whoever is doing it, please stop. You're not helping.
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by Morgan Bell
I have these little rules about blogging on Myspace that I try to stick to. I think they are good for me as they encourage me to be a bit more articulate, objective and constructive rather than gossiping and bitching mercilessly. Sometimes I just cant cope and have to slip something sly into a bulletin as they have the advantage of only being read by my friends list and they are fleeting and temporary.
So here are my little rules that I try to let guide my blogs:
1. NO BITCHING . . . don't give opinions out about people you know in real life unless it is a concise and positive thank you . . . if you bitch the person you bitch about or someone that knows them WILL read it . . . also it is hard to gauge tone and humour from the written word, random readers may not understand the context without a background to the people and their relationships with each other and you may appear quite mean-spirited
2. NO GOSSIPING . . . don't give out personal information out about other people, just stick to talking about your own experiences and how you felt rather than jotting down what everyone else in the room was doing . . . you never know what they want other people to know . . . if they wanted everyone to know where they had been and who they had done they would write a blog themselves . . . even innocently saying who was at the pub or who joined you at the movies may cause dramas if they told other they were elsewhere . . . you don't want to appear indiscreet
3. NO DOBBING . . . don't talk about anything illegal, immoral, sleazy or trashy that yourself or your friends get up to (save that for comments so they have the choice to delete it) . . . the net is a public space, unless you would say it to a police officer or your mother maybe you shouldn't say it at all . . . its all public record once you publish it and some people are more guarded than others, and may have longer criminal records
4. BE INFORMATIVE . . . blog about things that people mite learn something from, whether that be life experiences, reviews or news . . . hopefully you could peak somebody's interest in experiencing or considering something new . . . ideally they leave your blog thinking their time was wisely invested and their mind is a little more open
5. REPRESENT YOURSELF WELL . . . blogs are where random people browsing and mutual friends who visit your profile and want to get to know you will go to get further information . . . so your most recent blogs are where some people will get their . . . blah, blah, blah
Have you followed your own advice Morgan with the comments you left here?
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An introduction to blogging
Page 2 of 2
first impression of who you are . . . [left over blah stuff from page one]
6. REPRESENT YOUR COMMUNITY WELL . . . write blogs with integrity as they are like a time capsule, a record of modern culture in your area in your time that people mite read in the short and long term future . . . so making mention of places you go and shows you see, places you eat, events you attend, music you listen to, current events that matter to you and your friends, things you buy etc paint a picture of your social and geographical grouping and help people from other places and backgrounds understand your lifestyle
7. BE SOMEWHAT GUARDED . . . remember if you have a public profile and your blogs are set to public viewing then anybody in the world could read them . . . best friend, worst enemy, friends of friends, potential friends, potential stalkers, your boss, your mother (yeah pretty concerned about my mother stumbling across my page hey!), justin timberlake, the pope . . . it is wise to filter information to what is relevant to tell the story or give the opinion . . . think about what you really want joe blow off the street to know
8. POLITICAL CORRECTNESS . . . there are a lot of homophobes, misogynists, and troublemakers scouring the net to cause fights who don't need to be provoked . . . however I refuse to pander to them too much as I don't care for their opinions and truly doubt they can read or would take the time to investigate a blog, I will not change or water-down my opinions . . . this being said, I do endeavour to be respectful so that everyone can learn by example the correct way to approach queers . . . I respect diversity and there are a lot of really great people out there that I do not wish to offend with overly blunt private jokes, insensitive language or labelling . . . although I will call a fag a fag and a hag a hag as I believe I have earnt the privilege from man-hours spent at stonewall being mistaken for a tranny
9. NO CONTACT DETAILS . . . as a stalker (ahem, professional crazed fan) myself I know how much information you can gather about a person just from the net . . . once you mention your surname, another time the suburb you live in or your workplace or the venues you frequent . . . next you have crazy people rummaging through your bins and ringing you on private numbers . . . there's no real need for precise info about times and dates of your previous and future comings and goings and if your friends want your mobile number or email they can always send a private message
10. DON'T WRITE ANYTHING YOU WOULDN'T WANT PUBLISHED IN A MAGAZINE!
Sometimes I slip up and forget or bend my rules, and sometimes I think my blogs would be a lot more interesting if I was free to write whatever I choose, well they would certainly be a lot longer . . . but then the paranoia sets in and I think of all the possible consequences and the potential anxiety deters me from being too loose in the lips . . . but as a result I think the quality of the writing is better, more critical, more thoughtful and analytical . . . that is the difference between writing and speaking, blogs are a statement not a conversation, and you need to be accurate and prepared to defend everything you write . . . I am a lot more restrained and refined in print than I am in person . . .. . . but everyone knows in person just give me a few bottles of passion pop and ill tell you anything you want to know!
Crikey Morg, more refined in print really?
hahahahahah ....... LOL....ROFL..sigh . . .
Comment by Morgan Bell
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as stated in the introduction, that guide is for blogging on MySpace (where all your readers are your real life friends and may value their privacy more keenly than you do yourself), but i think much of it does apply to Orble too
i dont publish the names of my friends and family even when discussing them on Orble, and i generally dont write anything i wouldnt want my mum or my boss to see
the level of personal detail i decide to publish (regarding only me) is my own choice and i am comfortable with what i have made available
i fail to see why you have even reproduced this article here, but i dont really care, spread my work around as much as you like as long as you give due credit
Comment by Morgan Bell
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noone is going to think anonymous comments are from you, we all know you are a registered Orble user who always logs in to their account to make comments, the only thing you can do is ask the blog moderator to remove them, hit the [Report] button or email Jon at complaints@orble.com to request it is removed
usually the blog moderator is level-headed enough to see that insulting anonymous comments add little value to their post and happily oblige when you request they are removed
now i know you come from the school of thought that says "maybe you should also ask yourself why he attacks you so viciously", but i dont think you should have to ask yourself anything, bad behaviour is bad behaviour and noone can ever permeate the mind of an abusive troll
a troll could be acting based on who you are rather than anything youve said or done, they may have issues with christian women, or single mums, or something you have no control over other than to change everything about yourself
dont dwell on what "causes" an attack, just report it and speak out against it
Comment by Nevar
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Secondly, you claim to be asexual but take a decidedly pro-gay stand. By your own definition of asexual, you should be neutral to the matter.
You display the warped characteristics of a discarded woman; you love metro-men but hate hetro-men, you are an atheist because you're mad at god for the imagined wrongs you've suffered, you live to hold court among those you feel superior towards; man I hope you do win a huge cash settlement for your accident-because you'll likely self destruct.
But, I don't see it happening.
Comment by Morgan Bell
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Asexual means you are neither attracted to men or woman
supporting gay marriage has nothing to do with ones sexuality, it is about your view on civil rights
as an Atheist, i dont believe in god, so it is pretty hard to be mad at something you dont believe exists
i adhere to my blogging advice just fine
my settlement has nothing to do with my politics
you are grasping at straws because you feel inadequate around a strong-minded woman
if you are trying to deny you are a fuckwit, your arguments are pretty poor
Comment by Nevar
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I know full well the definition of asexual, but I doubt that you came into this world asexual.
I suspect that your mindless support of gay rights has to do with suppressed sexuality.
Were you born an atheist? I doubt that as well, is it ozzie chic to be atheist?
You strike me as a rejected wall flower desperate to fit in somewhere, anywhere.
Strong minded woman and you in the same breath, hahahahahahaha......
You really are drug addled, and I really am a rich wit.
Comment by Damo
The argument being forwarded as to why David was removed from Orble is because he used swear words.
Yet here we have Morgan swearing like a drunken sailor.
Double standards.
The Purge Continues.
Do not bother responding Morgan.
I am too busy laughing at your Rules for Blogging that somehow never seem to apply to you.
Damo has left the building.
Hehehe
Dawkinites are so funny.
Comment by Morgan Bell
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yes i was born Asxual, and yes i was raised an Atheist, my parents are Atheists, it is extremely uncommon for people under 30 in Australia these days to be church-going or homophobic, we have progressed, tolerance is the way of the future
why shouldnt gay people have rights?
you are a really bad amateur psychologist, i think you should give it away, you obviously dont understand people at all
Damo,
now dont get all jealous because Nevar pushed you out of second place on The Purge List, im sure if you actively tried to be more offensive and hateful towards minorities you could easily regain your treasured position
if you dont like swearing maybe you should head over to Katyzzz's MS Paint Art
or you could always hit the [Report] button or send an email to complaints@orble.com
the world is your oyster
the real difference between me and your infallible messiah David is that im not threatening other users with sexual violence, im not claiming the owner of Orble has no penis, im not publishing hate speech about Jews and homosexuals
dont worry about Nevar knocking you off The Purge List, i hereby declare you are Least Objective Person On Orble . . . im going to ask Jon to make you up a little trophy and everything so you can feel special again
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Comment by Cheryl J
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I have been asked to help out to give her some time to grieve.
Any anonymous comments will be immediately deleted.
ALL personal abuse will be reported.
If all of you who are using this post as a personal slanging match have an ounce of decency you will stop right now.
If you have a valid comment about the posted item then by all means go ahead. As for everything else I think you would all agree that she does not need to read all of this crap.
Samaritan, the imposter has been deleted and nobody for one moment thought it was you.
Please, all of you, show some respect and restraint or until Natalina gets back I will set this blog to verify until she returns. She has entrusted me to do the right thing so I will do what I think is best.
Cheryl J